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I look like this,
but I'm fine now.
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-How are you?
-OK.
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Warm enough?
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I was using a walker,
but I'm fine now.
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-You are...
-I'm only using a cane now.
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It's good, you can use it to...
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I already had this cane,
can you believe it?
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No one uses them anymore.
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Do you know what I had at home?
A club.
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I put this beauty here
so I wouldn't hurt my hand.
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Shall we put your mic on?
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Let's put the mic on.
This man here...
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You can do whatever you want.
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Let's get started, dad...
No, we got started a while ago.
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Let's see if you'll call me "dad"
all the time.
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Call me "you".
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-Paulo Mendes da Rocha.
-No. "You".
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So?
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-We went to Vitória on Friday.
-I wanted to know. How did it go?
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-Was it a nice day?
-Very nice. The sky was blue.
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-Did you like it?
-I did.
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Isn't that square nice?
Were there any ships there?
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-Many.
-How nice.
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There was a huge red one.
Just beautiful.
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IT'S ALL A PLAN
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Tell us a little bit,
in an objective way,
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about the way you project
and how you choose the material.
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That question and this speech
should be on record,
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because it's interesting
not having to repeat it...
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Regarding the things I say,
I don't care about being right.
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I might be wrong,
but this is what I think.
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There's no such A thing
as "your architecture".
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Even better, architecture exists
precisely because it's not anyone's.
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It is previous to anyone.
It is a human desire.
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I consider that is
the most intelligent
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and maybe the only way
to see it.
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Behind that human desire,
the other's desire.
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Architecture is about
fulfilling desires, sometimes urgent,
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and meeting the needs
of others, of society.
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You don't do it for yourself.
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No architect can say
they've invented the house.
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Take a novel or a short story
that you like.
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The ingredients in it –
passion, jealousy,
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a man, a woman,
a cockroach, whatever it is –
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you didn't come up with them.
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You arrange them
to tell a story.
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You're not the one
who comes up with the story.
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It is engendered by the human condition
in the Universe.
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So the house has always existed.
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What were we before?
Lost in solitude...
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Can you imagine
the Neolithic man's loneliness?
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He had no one to talk to.
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People say -
and I can speak for myself
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because I adopt that too -
the city's reason...
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Why do we build cities?
To have conversations.
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To have people to talk to,
like we're talking now.
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Due to the anguish of loneliness,
men slowly organized themselves
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in cities, caves...
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It's a story we know
as monumental.
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So once more I think
it's about politics
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and the choice comes before.
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You can say a city is
done like this:
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a group comes and says
"Let's stay here".
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It's an evaluation.
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They can see that in the ships
will stay at the bay,
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on a higher level
because of the floods,
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then they build
the first houses.
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That is, man is an architect.
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How are you?
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Where do you want to stay?
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-Away from the sun?
-In bed.
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I was in bed.
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-Let's stay...
-Don't you want
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to take a picture of the thing?
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We're already doing it
with another camera.
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Really? Isn't it better
to have that in the back while I speak?
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-It is.
-Than the city hall?
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Here's the thing.
A city is a construction above all.
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The city is built little by little
from wishes,
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but as an accomplishment somewhere
made with constructions.
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Houses, then shelters,
stores etc.
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The constructed part of a city
is very moving
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and contains, from an intellectual
perspective, bits of our intelligence.
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For instance, if I were a writer,
what would I write about this city?
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It has a personality
that slowly becomes her own.
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São Paulo, for instance.
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This viaduct was made by
my teacher from university,
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an extraordinary architect
called Elisiário Bahiana,
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with this overpass to
Vale do Anhangabaú.
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It is an overpass for pedestrians
that leads to the lower level,
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as if the city itself
were a building. You see?
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Elisiário Bahiana himself drew it
and built a protection
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for the people heading down.
Over time, it got deformed.
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It's a wreck, partly destroyed,
and they will either build a new one
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or recover this one,
so they asked my opinion
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and I said we should make
a completely new one.
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Because if you take down
those walls,
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you can see the whole square.
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We can see people's legs
on the other side.
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That infamous grate they built
is interfering,
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and it's not part
of the project.
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In São Paulo, in general,
there is a kind of neurosis,
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a mental sickness
regarding safety,
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so they put grates
in everything.
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The first providence was
recomposing the Praça do Patriarca.
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Taking away the bus station
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and diverging things
with the traffic engineers.
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Among other things,
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this wonderful drawing on the floor
was recomposed.
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Can you shoot this drawing?
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-Put the camera up there, somewhere.
-We did.
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From the idea of a light,
easy-to-build, simple shelter,
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I drew that there.
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The portico is 40 meters long,
then the dimensions start.
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The roof itself is
20 meters long.
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So there are 10 meters left
on each side.
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We put one of the pillars
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aligned with
the old Rua Direita,
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which gives us a reference
of its size compared to the church.
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And between the pillar
and the roof,
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you can see if you go there,
is the sculpture, all tidy and neat.
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All that makes things collaborate
to give substance to the drawing,
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which you don't know
where it comes from,
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but it comes from the idea that
it was built following a logic.
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A logic that you might
not agree with,
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but when you understand it,
it contains a discourse.
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This discourse is, above all,
a compliment to the city,
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to Elisiário Bahiana,
to the patriarch of independence,
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to the people, so they can have
a wide view of all this.
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Do you know what people
thought about it?
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I don't know, because I'm not
brave enough to ask.
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If someone says, "I think it sucks",
I will be very disappointed.
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-Shall we go to the other side?
-Yes.
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What do you want to do?
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What you said,
look at the square from up there.
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I find it really nice to see this
on the ground here.
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Because of the accomplishment,
given the topography,
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of this visual, theatrical,
scenographic possibility.
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You start seeing the people.
Can you see it?
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It's beautiful from here.
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The view from here
is beautiful,
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with the old Ramos de Azevedo-style
buildings on the back.
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Look, people will soon be walking
at the height of your eyes.
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You can choose
from many settings.
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It's beautiful.
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At least for me,
because I have fun with it.
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A city in itself is democratic.
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Why is this city abandoned?
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The dominant class is infamous
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and doesn't like freedom.
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This city dictates freedom,
like it or not.
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This inexorable democratization
that we have in central areas
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makes those who are afraid –
and fear is the main tool of Fascism –
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to step out and start making
these hedged in things,
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abandoning the city.
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We need a society that understands it,
otherwise, it's not a society.
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The center of the square is
a terrible place for this sculpture.
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No one walks through the center.
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I thought it was better
to relocate it,
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so everyone could see it better,
as they do now.
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And especially so they can
read the plate
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and learn, besides Ceschiatti's name,
that this sculpture was a donation
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from the Lebanese colony,
which is
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-another strong colony in São Paulo.
-That's nice.
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So you see the story is
told in a way
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in which you can be
a good or bad editor for it.
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In the end, all architecture projects,
all constructions
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are discourses about all that.
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Not just about the technical
and scientific knowledge needed
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to build something like that,
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from a structural perspective,
of engineering and building,
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but from the perspective
of this kind of reasoning,
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which is lyrical, poetic,
historical,
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it's about memory
and being aware
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of the need to announce
and create memories.
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Where are we? Who are we?
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What do others say?
Where are we going?
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I'd like to ask what it's like
to live in this house today.
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Today? I think this is
the best place to live.
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I've been everywhere
and came back here.
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First, it's a permeable place.
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All rooms meet each other.
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And you're always sharing
the space.
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It's difficult to get privacy
and, at the same time,
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that's what creates life
as a family, as a group.
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It's a bit like
an indigenous dwelling.
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You share the space
with everyone in the house.
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You can hear noises from the kitchen,
from the shower,
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someone listening to music
late at night,
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when mom and dad
have dinner with friends,
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you can hear them talking
and the music playing.
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That's the memory I have.
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That's what brought me back here,
because that was really good.
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It was really good in our...
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In my life
and I think in yours too.
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And there's the space.
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You can occupy the space
in many different ways.
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You transform the house.
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Although the furniture is fixed,
you can use it any way you want it.
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I loved that.
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And seeing nature
right outside is great.
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-It's great. The moon...
-I remember waiting for April
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to see the light coming in.
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When I lived here,
I always thought:
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"What is it like to live in a house
with walls and doors,
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where you have to open the windows
to look outside?"
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Because we're always
looking here.
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That's the coolest thing about it,
you come in and walk through it.
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We left a room, went through
the bedrooms and are at the porch.
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There were three rooms,
right, Lito?
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There was a wall here at first,
in the original project,
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which made a room for each boy
with a common bathroom.
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-This was my room...
-That's cool. It has unity.
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It's a standard unity.
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Each room had a concrete table,
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a bookshelf module and a bed.
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The bed was made of concrete, too,
at first.
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This thin structure formed
a giant C
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and the frame went on top of it.
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This is really cool.
This is great.
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Here's the bathroom.
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It's a little ship.
It's a little ship room.
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And check out the light.
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This is the famous bathroom
I turned into my house
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and where I lived for
longer and longer.
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Waking up in the morning and seeing
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a thrush eating fruit is great.
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-It's really cool.
-It's amazing.
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In the morning, birds clan themselves
in little puddles.
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You can hear it...
They stay up here, sunbathing.
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So you wake up
with a bird over your head.
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I think it gives us
a new way to see the world.
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An admiration. Exactly,
a new way to see the world.
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The first thing I thought of
was a house all in one level.
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I didn't want a two-story house
with stairs.
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On the other hand,
something very interesting,
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which we say is a goal
in architecture,
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is that when we do
what we intend to
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it is not to follow
a functional schedule,
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say a kitchen, bathrooms,
bedrooms,
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and make people behave
in a way. That's not the idea.
242
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It is to satisfy basic needs,
243
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imagining that you are actually
supporting life's unpredictability.
244
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I don't know what
the kids will do...
245
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Joana one day took
a little bookshelf
246
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and put it in
one of these bathrooms,
247
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which is a 1,5m x 0,9m cubicle
with a door.
248
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She put the bookshelf in it,
arranged the books,
249
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covered the toilet with a small rug
and made a couch.
250
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She put a lamp in there
and lived there for three months
251
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and no one said anything,
neither her brothers nor me.
252
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She lived by herself
for three months.
253
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She made herself a little house.
254
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It was so nice for her
to be able to...
255
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She came up with a house
inside another house.
256
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I imagined I could
build the house...
257
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first without destroying
the street's lower position.
258
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Then cutting inside
259
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and putting a house
at ground level but tall.
260
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So if you're here,
you have a view
261
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and the street is down there.
262
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We got creative with
technical solutions for this house.
263
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Reinforced concrete is never
completely stable.
264
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If you use a frame,
it will break.
265
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So we made an articulated frame.
266
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I came up
with something interesting.
267
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There's a pivot here.
268
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If you loosen this latch,
the center of gravity is here.
269
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Then the frame is all by itself,
it's loose and it goes outside,
270
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as you can see.
271
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Something I find annoying
is stepping on one type of floor,
272
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then going to the kitchen
and there's a different floor,
273
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then the bathroom...
274
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When you use one flooring
in the whole house, it seems bigger.
275
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You can't use wood in the shower,
so we used a new product in it,
276
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an epoxy resin,
not to use tiles.
277
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Why? Because that allows me
to have any shape I want.
278
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I made curved shower boxes.
279
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I brought the plumbing outside
from downstairs,
280
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got to the mixer with
a nice amount of water,
281
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then I took it up
and made the shower inside.
282
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This part of the pipe
that's exposed,
283
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so it wouldn't look like
I was just solving a problem,
284
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I decided to embellish, so to speak,
making a zig zag with the pipe
285
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so the boys could warm up
their towels, clothes etc.
286
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And so we went, one after the other,
coming up with small details that are...
287
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In any discourse,
if it were literature.
288
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Like phrases or verses,
very pretty things.
289
00:20:25,083 --> 00:20:29,000
Not that everything must have
a reason, a function,
290
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but any motivation
should serve as pretext for us
291
00:20:33,584 --> 00:20:36,250
to say
"See what I'm going to do".
292
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It's different from
the market view,
293
00:20:38,626 --> 00:20:40,626
which makes
extraordinary things to sell more.
294
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That's not the idea.
295
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It is to support
our joie de vivre.
296
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The first thing I would like to say
where I can record memories
297
00:21:55,584 --> 00:21:58,626
is that nowadays,
in a city like São Paulo,
298
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or any city with
over 100 thousand inhabitants,
299
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there shouldn't be any more
houses isolated in terrains.
300
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Contemporary houses should be
in buildings,
301
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that's the kind of concentration
we're interested in.
302
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So that kids can walk to school,
the school is right over there.
303
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Public transport...
304
00:22:21,083 --> 00:22:26,584
It's hard to imagine subways
in a horizontal city, with just houses.
305
00:22:26,584 --> 00:22:30,375
The train would have to run 1 kilometer
to serve 20 houses.
306
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Copan, for example.
307
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It is a housing complex,
in the heart of the city,
308
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but not on the ground floor.
309
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The ground floor has bars,
restaurants, stores,
310
00:22:42,125 --> 00:22:47,209
so the city life flows
and you live up there.
311
00:22:47,209 --> 00:22:49,584
Virtues of verticality.
312
00:22:49,584 --> 00:22:56,125
Another wonderful thing about Copan,
regarding shapes, virtues, discourse,
313
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is that the architectural experience,
Maison d'Habitation de Corbuisier
314
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and things like that,
show that the ideal house,
315
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a vertical house, is not made
with a hallway
316
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and full of apartments
on each side,
317
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because then someone is in the south
and someone is in the north.
318
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What's nice about a house is that
is gets sunlight from every side,
319
00:23:17,167 --> 00:23:21,250
so the ideal apartment is the one
with windows on both sides.
320
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If you can build, since the law
allows it in that place,
321
00:23:25,417 --> 00:23:29,167
a 35-story building,
as is the case here,
322
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all apartments can have
both sides.
323
00:23:32,167 --> 00:23:36,751
But the result of that,
the occasional inconvenient,
324
00:23:37,584 --> 00:23:41,626
is that the building will
necessarily be very slim.
325
00:23:42,334 --> 00:23:45,000
The transverse is very small
and the building is too big.
326
00:23:46,501 --> 00:23:52,584
We're getting in to Oscar's logic.
He wanted to make a single building.
327
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If it has so many stories
328
00:23:59,042 --> 00:24:01,584
and there are no
structural problems,
329
00:24:01,626 --> 00:24:03,417
in the foundation etc.,
330
00:24:04,125 --> 00:24:06,042
it will take the vertical load.
331
00:24:06,042 --> 00:24:12,042
But it won't resist the wind,
because it becomes a sail.
332
00:24:12,042 --> 00:24:16,417
If you do it like this,
it will stand on its own.
333
00:24:17,083 --> 00:24:19,000
That's why it looks like that.
334
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,167
It has nothing to do with
the shape of the mountains.
335
00:24:22,250 --> 00:24:27,501
Niemeyer always let people say that
because he is a rascal, he knows that.
336
00:24:28,292 --> 00:24:31,792
"Oh, didn't you notice?
It's because of a woman's curves..."
337
00:24:33,250 --> 00:24:38,250
To hell with it. If I have to explain,
there's no virtue.
338
00:24:38,334 --> 00:24:41,709
That's why I was delighted
that you liked many things.
339
00:24:42,542 --> 00:24:46,417
Because you have to know
how to read the inherent discourse.
340
00:25:16,250 --> 00:25:18,167
The interesting thing...
341
00:25:18,167 --> 00:25:23,250
If you can stay there, I can tell you.
I can go there and speak.
342
00:25:23,250 --> 00:25:24,584
-Will that work?
-Yes.
343
00:25:24,584 --> 00:25:30,292
To show you the spatial aspect
of this theater, this place,
344
00:25:30,292 --> 00:25:34,417
regarding the loges,
which are very nice.
345
00:25:34,417 --> 00:25:36,042
-Want to see it?
-Yes.
346
00:25:48,250 --> 00:25:53,417
This is an area with loges
and rotating chairs
347
00:25:53,584 --> 00:25:57,751
where you can watch the play
and participate in a large space.
348
00:25:58,459 --> 00:26:05,542
It even has interesting and historical
loge positions.
349
00:26:05,751 --> 00:26:10,042
You have a place here
above the stage. Look.
350
00:26:10,042 --> 00:26:13,042
It is very nice
to watch the spectacle from here.
351
00:26:14,167 --> 00:26:15,501
Around how many seats?
352
00:26:15,792 --> 00:26:18,667
This theater has 200 seats.
353
00:26:24,584 --> 00:26:29,250
It's interesting to consider something
people comment on a lot today,
354
00:26:29,250 --> 00:26:33,083
which is the occupation
as a political operation
355
00:26:33,417 --> 00:26:35,375
to transform the city.
356
00:26:35,375 --> 00:26:40,250
Transforming a commercial building,
the old Mesbla,
357
00:26:40,250 --> 00:26:42,250
into a SESC unit.
358
00:26:42,417 --> 00:26:48,292
Again, gymnastics, dance, restaurants,
theater, cafés, a pool on the roof...
359
00:26:48,292 --> 00:26:52,459
It is an occupation policy.
360
00:26:52,459 --> 00:26:55,209
New occupations for things
that already existed.
361
00:26:55,501 --> 00:26:59,292
Especially in a city like São Paulo,
it is hard to imagine
362
00:26:59,292 --> 00:27:01,000
taking everything down
to rebuild it.
363
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:05,292
Much of the transformation
is from within.
364
00:27:05,292 --> 00:27:08,167
In the end, that's what happens
with each one of us, too.
365
00:27:08,167 --> 00:27:12,083
We could call ourselves
life's architectures.
366
00:27:12,667 --> 00:27:14,083
Yes.
367
00:27:14,250 --> 00:27:17,042
I was born in 1928.
368
00:27:17,584 --> 00:27:21,417
It was hard to imagine
what we're seeing now,
369
00:27:21,584 --> 00:27:23,292
-so many years later...
-Being possible, right?
370
00:27:23,292 --> 00:27:27,792
You have to occupy yourself
in a new way.
371
00:27:30,334 --> 00:27:33,042
-Very well.
-Cut!
372
00:27:33,042 --> 00:27:35,125
-Shall we talk about the pool?
-Yes, let's.
373
00:27:35,125 --> 00:27:38,083
The pool on the roof
is quite interesting, right, Marta?
374
00:27:38,083 --> 00:27:41,042
-I made this project with Marta Moreira.
-"Right, Marta"? Bring Marta here.
375
00:27:41,042 --> 00:27:43,751
If you imagine the amount of water
that goes into a pool...
376
00:27:43,751 --> 00:27:47,209
And we designed
a 25m x 25m pool,
377
00:27:47,292 --> 00:27:51,250
because this building has
an interesting aspect for all that,
378
00:27:51,584 --> 00:27:57,459
which was an inside void
in its initial 14m x 14m size.
379
00:27:57,459 --> 00:28:02,209
We managed to put up
four pillars in this void
380
00:28:02,375 --> 00:28:05,083
to support what's new up there,
381
00:28:05,083 --> 00:28:07,584
like a great load of water
in the pool.
382
00:28:08,334 --> 00:28:11,292
Which is completely independent
from the existing building.
383
00:28:11,292 --> 00:28:16,667
So it's a load that's not supported
by the buildings old structure,
384
00:28:16,751 --> 00:28:19,709
but by a new structure
fit inside,
385
00:28:19,709 --> 00:28:23,334
which made the ground lower
than the previous one
386
00:28:23,334 --> 00:28:29,083
to allow the excavation in the middle
for another important void.
387
00:28:29,292 --> 00:28:35,083
So we imagined two voids
initially.
388
00:28:35,375 --> 00:28:38,250
-The theater and the pool?
-The pool and the theater.
389
00:28:41,417 --> 00:28:43,501
This is the changing room floor,
right?
390
00:28:43,501 --> 00:28:45,000
Yes, the changing room floor.
391
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,083
We can go in there,
it's very pretty.
392
00:28:48,292 --> 00:28:51,334
You're in a changing room
that is really generous
393
00:28:51,334 --> 00:28:53,709
in terms of space.
394
00:28:54,250 --> 00:28:57,083
And you can take a shower
looking at the city of São Paulo.
395
00:28:57,083 --> 00:28:58,584
-That's nice-.
It's beautiful.
396
00:29:00,083 --> 00:29:02,417
The ramp circulation system...
397
00:29:02,417 --> 00:29:05,501
There's a continuous ramp
from the ground floor to the pool.
398
00:29:05,584 --> 00:29:09,209
In a city like São Paulo,
399
00:29:09,667 --> 00:29:12,542
you just have to look at
the Porto Geral slope.
400
00:29:13,083 --> 00:29:18,459
We're used to go up and down slopes,
like in Augusta street.
401
00:29:18,459 --> 00:29:24,250
So this is a kind of unfolding
of the city's geomorphology.
402
00:29:24,250 --> 00:29:25,542
It's all there.
403
00:29:25,542 --> 00:29:27,292
This is all made of glass.
404
00:29:28,292 --> 00:29:31,250
So you take a shower
405
00:29:31,250 --> 00:29:33,334
-in the middle of São Paulo.
-That's great.
406
00:29:33,334 --> 00:29:35,000
It's beautiful.
407
00:29:38,042 --> 00:29:41,083
-He plays with it, right?
-He does. I think it's beautiful,
408
00:29:41,083 --> 00:29:44,626
because the changing rooms
have this really generous space,
409
00:29:44,751 --> 00:29:48,125
they're really ventilated, bright,
full of light.
410
00:29:48,334 --> 00:29:50,083
The idea of a changing room...
411
00:29:50,083 --> 00:29:54,501
It seems like a smaller detail,
but it isn't.
412
00:29:55,167 --> 00:29:58,584
It's put in
a very beautiful situation.
413
00:29:59,375 --> 00:30:01,709
And the idea of the pool
with a hole in the middle?
414
00:30:02,167 --> 00:30:06,083
A pool with a hole would
empty it, wouldn't it?
415
00:30:06,083 --> 00:30:07,292
Yes.
416
00:30:07,584 --> 00:30:09,584
That's precisely
what it's made for.
417
00:30:09,584 --> 00:30:13,751
That's where the water overflows
and falls downstairs.
418
00:30:13,751 --> 00:30:16,417
So you continue
in a wet environment.
419
00:30:17,250 --> 00:30:19,417
So this becomes a garden
420
00:30:19,417 --> 00:30:22,000
that is a complementation
of the pool's solarium.
421
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:27,709
With a café and a pond,
where kids will probably play.
422
00:30:27,709 --> 00:30:29,417
They probably will, of course.
423
00:30:32,209 --> 00:30:37,709
All that gives a theatrical air
to the pool, since this is a theater.
424
00:30:37,709 --> 00:30:44,417
It's funny to have,
in São Paulo,
425
00:30:44,417 --> 00:30:48,751
a pool on the roof, on the outside,
where kids can have fun.
426
00:30:50,667 --> 00:30:52,501
-Amazing, right?
-Amazing!
427
00:30:52,667 --> 00:30:57,751
This building next door was for sale.
We made SESC buy it.
428
00:30:57,751 --> 00:31:01,042
This appropriation is
part of our project.
429
00:31:01,501 --> 00:31:03,626
Look at the Itália
and the Copan buildings.
430
00:31:04,751 --> 00:31:06,167
Yeah.
431
00:31:06,167 --> 00:31:10,417
And the annex, the service building,
is higher than this building,
432
00:31:10,417 --> 00:31:16,125
which is the old
Mesbla building.
433
00:31:16,125 --> 00:31:21,209
There are machines, then the exhausts,
employees' dressing rooms...
434
00:31:21,209 --> 00:31:24,250
They're complementing
this service.
435
00:31:25,083 --> 00:31:26,792
We had a lot of fun...
436
00:31:26,792 --> 00:31:30,459
Tell her the story about the ship
and the auxiliary ship,
437
00:31:30,459 --> 00:31:32,083
like the service building.
It's so beautiful.
438
00:31:32,083 --> 00:31:34,709
It's something I said
that Marta remembered.
439
00:31:35,209 --> 00:31:38,209
I learned it in my private life.
440
00:31:38,417 --> 00:31:42,250
The navy uses many
auxiliary ships.
441
00:31:42,250 --> 00:31:46,209
They get close to the main ship,
sometimes offshore,
442
00:31:46,209 --> 00:31:48,542
and fix it.
443
00:31:48,542 --> 00:31:51,751
So we imagined this one
as the main ship,
444
00:31:51,751 --> 00:31:55,709
the building SESC
proposed initially.
445
00:31:56,042 --> 00:31:59,292
And that smaller building
was up for grabs, as they say,
446
00:32:00,083 --> 00:32:04,584
-we bought it and all service is there.
-It's an auxiliary ship.
447
00:33:04,584 --> 00:33:08,083
Your grandfather, my father,
when he was 22,
448
00:33:08,083 --> 00:33:11,083
recently out of college,
decided to build that dam.
449
00:33:12,584 --> 00:33:15,042
He asked a local
to be his guide.
450
00:33:15,083 --> 00:33:18,417
He knew that local
had killed many people.
451
00:33:18,417 --> 00:33:20,459
He used a knife here...
452
00:33:20,626 --> 00:33:24,375
They spent two nights together.
It was a long expedition.
453
00:33:24,417 --> 00:33:26,542
They slept, they cooked...
454
00:33:26,751 --> 00:33:29,501
And I think I can say your grandpa
was very cunning
455
00:33:29,709 --> 00:33:33,000
to ask the guy one night,
by the fire:
456
00:33:34,250 --> 00:33:35,751
"How many have you killed?"
457
00:33:35,751 --> 00:33:38,417
It's like something written
by Guimarães Rosa.
458
00:33:38,417 --> 00:33:42,542
And the guy said –
this is really funny –
459
00:33:42,542 --> 00:33:45,000
"Sir, I've never killed anyone.
460
00:33:45,334 --> 00:33:47,709
I just stab them,
God is the one who kills them".
461
00:33:51,125 --> 00:33:53,000
So you see that...
462
00:33:54,584 --> 00:33:57,501
Speaking of Guimarães Rosa,
living is very dangerous.
463
00:33:58,292 --> 00:34:02,667
Ok, I know I'm going
too far with this,
464
00:34:02,667 --> 00:34:08,584
but sometimes it's good to speak
465
00:34:09,209 --> 00:34:12,584
as if we were a little delirious.
466
00:34:12,584 --> 00:34:15,626
If you think about it
and put things together,
467
00:34:15,751 --> 00:34:17,459
they make sense.
468
00:34:17,459 --> 00:34:21,083
Look at what we're talking
and what I read the other day,
469
00:34:21,083 --> 00:34:22,375
which impressed me a lot.
470
00:34:22,542 --> 00:34:26,751
One of the greatest philosophers
still alive, from the Frankfurt School,
471
00:34:26,751 --> 00:34:28,584
Heidegger, if I'm not mistaken,
472
00:34:28,667 --> 00:34:30,334
taught some lessons,
or something like that,
473
00:34:30,334 --> 00:34:34,626
that are registered.
Some classes, a small course.
474
00:34:34,626 --> 00:34:36,751
In them, because he was seduced
475
00:34:36,751 --> 00:34:41,167
and wanted to comment as a philosopher
about the human condition and all,
476
00:34:41,459 --> 00:34:44,501
he presents Van Gogh's diary.
477
00:34:44,501 --> 00:34:47,250
In that diary, Heidegger said,
478
00:34:47,250 --> 00:34:53,167
Van Gogh wrote literally this,
479
00:34:53,167 --> 00:34:57,042
"I am now convinced
that man's history
480
00:34:57,042 --> 00:35:01,417
is the wheat's history:" -
then a colon. What a great writer –
481
00:35:02,667 --> 00:35:08,459
"We are on Earth to blossom
and to be crushed to become bread."
482
00:35:09,459 --> 00:35:11,459
Period. But it's not over yet.
483
00:35:11,459 --> 00:35:15,250
He then writes,
"Beware of those who are not crushed".
484
00:35:15,667 --> 00:35:17,459
How wonderful.
485
00:35:18,584 --> 00:35:24,125
That is, you're a man or a woman,
you're alive, you're a child,
486
00:35:24,125 --> 00:35:25,417
you grow up etc.,
487
00:35:25,417 --> 00:35:31,375
but to do, to engender,
to be able to tell you son
488
00:35:31,501 --> 00:35:36,250
50 years in the future the story
that says, "I don't kill, I just stab"...
489
00:35:36,417 --> 00:35:43,459
Knowing how important that is
for the formation of man's mindset...
490
00:35:43,459 --> 00:35:46,667
It's... fundamental.
491
00:35:46,667 --> 00:35:49,250
It's the essence
of the human condition.
492
00:35:52,042 --> 00:35:53,751
It's not a vision of death.
493
00:35:53,751 --> 00:35:57,292
Philosophers say something
that cheers this vision
494
00:35:57,292 --> 00:35:59,792
of doing designed projects.
495
00:36:00,459 --> 00:36:01,667
They say that:
496
00:36:02,667 --> 00:36:05,167
"We all know we are going to die,
497
00:36:07,125 --> 00:36:08,459
life is short."
498
00:36:08,459 --> 00:36:12,250
But we also know
we were not born to die.
499
00:36:12,250 --> 00:36:14,417
We were born to move on.
500
00:36:14,417 --> 00:36:16,083
That is beautiful.
501
00:36:16,083 --> 00:36:20,167
It's an image of the eternal roughness
of the human condition in the universe.
502
00:36:20,334 --> 00:36:23,667
It depends on you transmitting
knowledge, letting people know.
503
00:36:23,667 --> 00:36:27,042
That is what humanity is about.
504
00:36:27,167 --> 00:36:29,751
We're here, we haven't been
extinct yet
505
00:36:30,125 --> 00:36:32,042
thanks to that concurrence
of the construction
506
00:36:32,042 --> 00:36:33,667
of consciousness and language.
507
00:36:34,501 --> 00:36:36,584
I don't know why I can't talk
about architecture
508
00:36:36,584 --> 00:36:39,417
without saying things
that are not directly related.
509
00:36:39,417 --> 00:36:42,501
If you want, we can talk
about some funny little house.
510
00:36:42,501 --> 00:36:45,125
We could see if things match.
511
00:36:45,125 --> 00:36:48,626
You even asked how we make
one house different from the other.
512
00:36:48,626 --> 00:36:51,542
They're not different.
It's like literature.
513
00:36:51,542 --> 00:36:54,083
It's the same thing said
more than once,
514
00:36:54,083 --> 00:36:56,751
capable of seducing you
like never before,
515
00:36:56,751 --> 00:36:58,250
but it's the same thing.
516
00:36:58,375 --> 00:37:03,501
We're doomed to that.
And we'll always invent things.
517
00:37:05,584 --> 00:37:09,375
The same thing
so we can be the same.
518
00:37:36,501 --> 00:37:41,584
Tell us another story.
The one about the Paulistano chair.
519
00:37:41,584 --> 00:37:45,584
Well, you provoked this thing
about doing something else...
520
00:37:45,709 --> 00:37:49,751
There's nothing more mundane than
the damned chair, right?
521
00:37:51,083 --> 00:37:52,584
So many chairs...
522
00:38:17,417 --> 00:38:19,792
I made this chair
with very few things.
523
00:38:19,792 --> 00:38:23,542
A friend of mine,
Rubem Tibiriçá, an engineer,
524
00:38:23,542 --> 00:38:28,709
told me, "Can you believe
one of the most sellable products
525
00:38:29,209 --> 00:38:31,542
was not made by Villares
and now is?"
526
00:38:31,584 --> 00:38:33,626
The famous spring steel.
527
00:38:33,626 --> 00:38:38,167
That steel is folded when cold
so it doesn't lose properties.
528
00:38:38,250 --> 00:38:45,250
He told me that at a bar
and I thought:
529
00:38:45,250 --> 00:38:50,250
What if I made a chair
with just one spring steel bar
530
00:38:50,250 --> 00:38:53,667
with a proper design
for the space?
531
00:38:54,083 --> 00:38:57,751
Indigenous people sleep on hammocks,
so with some cloth.
532
00:38:58,125 --> 00:39:02,417
That chair would be flexible
in any direction, like a fluid.
533
00:39:03,751 --> 00:39:08,334
So I could avoid those cushions
that make noises when you sit on them.
534
00:39:09,792 --> 00:39:11,417
Something elegant,
535
00:39:11,709 --> 00:39:14,751
like the simple things
indigenous people make.
536
00:39:14,751 --> 00:39:18,125
By ‘thing' I mean
that in essence.
537
00:39:18,125 --> 00:39:24,000
Well, I came up with a single bar
that you can fold like this...
538
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,334
Put the ends together at
the least pressured part,
539
00:39:26,334 --> 00:39:29,417
at the bottom, on the back,
and you weld just one part.
540
00:39:29,584 --> 00:39:33,250
So you bend it
and weld it just once.
541
00:39:33,584 --> 00:39:35,751
See if what I thought about it
is not interesting.
542
00:39:35,751 --> 00:39:39,584
We were talking about a man
just stabbing and God killing, right?
543
00:39:40,083 --> 00:39:45,334
If this is one end
of what we can do in Brazil now,
544
00:39:45,334 --> 00:39:49,709
the other end
545
00:39:49,709 --> 00:39:53,250
is the cloth made by indigenous people,
the palm-tree hammock.
546
00:39:53,417 --> 00:39:57,209
But you cannot cut that,
or it would come apart.
547
00:39:57,209 --> 00:39:58,542
You have to mold it
548
00:39:58,542 --> 00:40:01,542
and contacting indigenous people
was impossible then.
549
00:40:02,209 --> 00:40:04,459
We didn't even have FUNAI yet.
550
00:40:04,459 --> 00:40:07,417
So we made that out of leather
and canvas.
551
00:40:11,125 --> 00:40:15,751
So, as some say:
Behold the chair.
552
00:40:17,250 --> 00:40:19,167
It's sold all over the world.
553
00:40:19,167 --> 00:40:26,417
A French company has recently decided
to sign a contract with me,
554
00:40:26,417 --> 00:40:29,167
so for the first time in my life
I'm getting royalties
555
00:40:29,167 --> 00:40:31,667
thanks to something
I designed in 1956.
556
00:40:42,542 --> 00:40:44,584
But we should reflect on that.
557
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:49,209
I'm always worried about young people
hearing these silly stories.
558
00:40:49,417 --> 00:40:52,751
If you call yourself a designer
in Milan,
559
00:40:53,667 --> 00:40:58,042
you're supported and taken
to the best laboratories, studios etc.
560
00:40:58,417 --> 00:41:01,334
But here,
how did I make that chair?
561
00:41:01,334 --> 00:41:03,751
We had to get bars
of the proper size.
562
00:41:04,667 --> 00:41:09,042
Angelim and I went to get them
at Villares. He had motorcycle.
563
00:41:09,417 --> 00:41:14,709
We tied all bars together
and put them between our legs
564
00:41:14,709 --> 00:41:16,167
and they came out
from both ends.
565
00:41:16,334 --> 00:41:19,083
We put two little red flags
on the front and the back
566
00:41:19,250 --> 00:41:22,667
and went back from Villares' office
in Interlagos
567
00:41:23,083 --> 00:41:27,459
to his workshop in Moóca
to fold the steel.
568
00:41:27,709 --> 00:41:30,584
The first cover was made
by his wife
569
00:41:30,584 --> 00:41:34,584
with a flour bag that
she cleaned and bleached.
570
00:41:34,584 --> 00:41:39,501
And she sewed it perfectly
from some models I had done on paper.
571
00:41:40,042 --> 00:41:45,375
Then we came up with the idea of,
at least for our first chair,
572
00:41:45,542 --> 00:41:46,751
doing a test.
573
00:41:46,751 --> 00:41:51,083
I said we should buy
two bags of cement, which weigh 120kg
574
00:41:51,417 --> 00:41:54,125
and are clean and sealed,
and put on top of it.
575
00:41:54,125 --> 00:41:57,083
That was in the back of his house,
at his workshop.
576
00:41:57,334 --> 00:41:59,501
He had two children,
a boy and a girl,
577
00:41:59,501 --> 00:42:01,042
so we established this:
578
00:42:01,042 --> 00:42:04,751
"The chair will stand still and you
will swing it when you pass by". 120kg.
579
00:42:04,751 --> 00:42:08,542
We did that for a month
and that's how we tested the load
580
00:42:08,542 --> 00:42:10,334
to make the first
Paulistano chair.
581
00:42:10,334 --> 00:42:17,584
You see, it's a thought that
might make you say that the goal...
582
00:42:17,584 --> 00:42:19,751
If that were the case.
There's no single goal.
583
00:42:19,751 --> 00:42:24,375
But like in a TV show
you have to accept the challenge.
584
00:42:24,375 --> 00:42:30,042
So I'll tell you what would be
architecture's main goal:
585
00:42:30,792 --> 00:42:33,250
displaying the success
of the technique,
586
00:42:33,250 --> 00:42:38,167
satisfying needs and desires.
587
00:42:38,167 --> 00:42:42,250
Desire comes as an idea
of supreme beauty
588
00:42:42,250 --> 00:42:46,417
in the making of something
that we want out of need.
589
00:42:50,626 --> 00:42:52,626
That's it. That's architecture.
590
00:43:40,667 --> 00:43:45,083
Paulo Mendes da Rocha is one of the
most renowned architects in the world.
591
00:43:45,375 --> 00:43:47,751
He's certainly
a modern architect
592
00:43:47,751 --> 00:43:50,751
and has remained as such
throughout his brilliant career,
593
00:43:50,751 --> 00:43:52,501
designing works that outstand
594
00:43:53,584 --> 00:43:56,667
be it for their simplicity,
be it for their boldness.
595
00:43:57,250 --> 00:44:01,375
In this noble room,
I speak to the magnificent dean,
596
00:44:01,584 --> 00:44:06,250
to whom I ask to concede the rank
of doctor honoris causa
597
00:44:06,584 --> 00:44:10,167
from the University of Lisbon
to Paulo Mendes da Rocha,
598
00:44:10,167 --> 00:44:14,501
as a form of acknowledgement
of his merit and of cultivation
599
00:44:14,501 --> 00:44:18,375
of the fundamental values of science,
of culture and of the university.
600
00:44:18,375 --> 00:44:19,626
Thank you.
601
00:44:35,167 --> 00:44:39,083
I must say we are together once again,
Brazil and Portugal,
602
00:44:39,083 --> 00:44:45,626
and I feel absolutely moved
in the cradle of our civilization.
603
00:44:45,667 --> 00:44:47,334
If you allow me,
604
00:44:48,501 --> 00:44:54,751
I would like to dedicate
this title and ceremony
605
00:44:55,083 --> 00:45:00,542
to my father, who was
the headmaster
606
00:45:00,542 --> 00:45:03,042
of the Polytechnical School
of the University of São Paulo,
607
00:45:03,042 --> 00:45:08,083
and who has educated me to be
convinced of man's capacity
608
00:45:08,083 --> 00:45:14,626
to bring to life and build that
which only existed in his imagination.
609
00:45:14,792 --> 00:45:17,209
In expressing the desires...
610
00:45:54,167 --> 00:45:56,250
The interesting thing about
this project is that, again,
611
00:45:56,250 --> 00:45:59,751
they are exhibition spaces,
but in this case,
612
00:45:59,751 --> 00:46:03,042
they will expose
something extraordinary,
613
00:46:03,042 --> 00:46:08,000
because each carriage
is 5m x 2m, they are huge.
614
00:46:08,542 --> 00:46:13,417
So the museum must be 10
or 12 meters high and sealed.
615
00:46:13,417 --> 00:46:16,250
You can't have light
coming into these carriages
616
00:46:16,250 --> 00:46:18,501
made of gold and wood,
they are fragile.
617
00:46:18,501 --> 00:46:22,042
You must have artificial light
and acclimatization.
618
00:46:22,042 --> 00:46:24,125
We thought it was best
to put it up
619
00:46:24,125 --> 00:46:27,709
because people already access
it through the elevator,
620
00:46:27,709 --> 00:46:31,292
so if the museum is full,
the elevator controls that
621
00:46:31,292 --> 00:46:34,167
if 20 people don't come out,
another 20 can't come in.
622
00:46:34,209 --> 00:46:36,417
This is the Pinacoteca's
ceiling.
623
00:46:36,417 --> 00:46:38,751
-Which is FAU's ceiling, right?
-Yes, it is.
624
00:46:38,751 --> 00:46:40,667
What does this invention
consist in?
625
00:46:40,667 --> 00:46:44,459
The problem with a skylight
is sealing the glasses together.
626
00:46:45,083 --> 00:46:47,292
This is a prism that cancels it...
627
00:46:47,292 --> 00:46:49,083
The sunlight is weak now...
628
00:46:49,459 --> 00:46:51,334
The glasses have no mends.
629
00:46:51,334 --> 00:46:53,167
This is a steel leaf.
630
00:46:53,709 --> 00:46:55,584
If you take a piece of paper
631
00:46:55,584 --> 00:46:59,584
and put it between two matchboxes,
it will bend.
632
00:46:59,584 --> 00:47:01,042
If you fold it as a V...
633
00:47:01,334 --> 00:47:04,417
So it's a discourse about
the virtue of geometry
634
00:47:05,042 --> 00:47:07,542
and about the resistance
of the materials.
635
00:47:07,542 --> 00:47:13,042
It's not even the material here,
it's the shape's ability to resist.
636
00:47:13,250 --> 00:47:14,584
Right?
637
00:47:18,292 --> 00:47:21,042
See how interesting
this structure is?
638
00:47:21,250 --> 00:47:26,083
You can barely see the pillars
supporting all this.
639
00:47:26,417 --> 00:47:28,042
But I'll tell you...
640
00:47:28,042 --> 00:47:31,626
What's nice is that the government
has also ordered a passageway
641
00:47:31,626 --> 00:47:34,250
for pedestrians to go
through the train,
642
00:47:34,292 --> 00:47:35,751
so we did it inside.
643
00:47:36,083 --> 00:47:39,542
The ramp begins inside
and comes out over there.
644
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,292
So you'll see...
They haven't built it yet.
645
00:47:42,292 --> 00:47:46,751
In the air over there, there will
be as many people as in the room.
646
00:47:47,626 --> 00:47:50,042
This place is already
monumental.
647
00:47:50,167 --> 00:47:52,250
The Tejo is Lisbon's soul.
648
00:47:54,250 --> 00:47:58,125
In Belém, the famous
Jerónimos Monastery is over there.
649
00:47:58,125 --> 00:48:01,209
This terrain had
this particularity that,
650
00:48:01,209 --> 00:48:03,417
on the other side
of Junqueira street,
651
00:48:03,417 --> 00:48:06,751
a certain part of old houses
designated as historic sites.
652
00:48:06,751 --> 00:48:11,083
We can't change them.
so we created an inside piazzetta,
653
00:48:11,083 --> 00:48:13,417
which is a very beautiful
architectural structure,
654
00:48:13,417 --> 00:48:16,250
between the old houses
and the museum
655
00:48:16,250 --> 00:48:21,250
and open on the bottom,
so the formal result of all of this
656
00:48:21,417 --> 00:48:23,250
has an outstanding
architectural value.
657
00:48:23,250 --> 00:48:26,334
This building, that building.
Do you understand?
658
00:48:27,584 --> 00:48:31,459
That little model
has something special about it,
659
00:48:32,792 --> 00:48:34,751
Lisbon's Coach Museum.
660
00:48:34,751 --> 00:48:41,751
It's already done, but they will have
an exhibition of my office's works
661
00:48:41,751 --> 00:48:44,083
at the Milan Triennial.
662
00:48:44,083 --> 00:48:49,334
The curator, Danielle,
wants these models there,
663
00:48:49,709 --> 00:48:54,667
because they show
how the world is interested in
664
00:48:55,334 --> 00:48:57,751
how we do our work.
665
00:48:58,292 --> 00:49:00,459
It's not something
that was done...
666
00:49:01,250 --> 00:49:03,542
for no reason, just like that.
667
00:49:04,417 --> 00:49:10,292
It is a consequence of the experience
transformed by us, men, into history.
668
00:49:10,292 --> 00:49:13,250
Or history transformed
into experience.
669
00:49:14,667 --> 00:49:17,334
You see Naná cutting
these little confetti?
670
00:49:17,334 --> 00:49:19,501
You'll say
"What silly business is this?"
671
00:49:19,501 --> 00:49:23,125
No! These simulate
the café's tables.
672
00:49:23,125 --> 00:49:27,042
They will look great
on the model, to illustrate.
673
00:49:27,751 --> 00:49:31,167
It looks nice to see some tables
on the sidewalk.
674
00:49:32,083 --> 00:49:37,083
Because they are well done,
people in magazines want to publish it,
675
00:49:37,083 --> 00:49:42,083
but this is what we call
an initial sketch.
676
00:49:42,250 --> 00:49:44,542
Instead of drawing,
you make quick models.
677
00:49:44,542 --> 00:49:49,792
The approximate volumetric model
is very interesting.
678
00:49:49,792 --> 00:49:53,751
It is not necessarily
identical to the construction,
679
00:49:55,042 --> 00:50:01,125
because there are famous models
done by professionals to exhibit.
680
00:50:01,125 --> 00:50:02,751
That's not the case.
681
00:50:02,751 --> 00:50:05,709
These are necessary,
they are work tools. You see?
682
00:50:06,125 --> 00:50:09,459
It naturally has to have
rigorous proportions.
683
00:50:09,459 --> 00:50:14,792
You can choose any scale you want
and try what you're thinking.
684
00:50:14,792 --> 00:50:16,375
It's going to look very chic.
685
00:50:16,375 --> 00:50:17,584
It will.
686
00:50:17,584 --> 00:50:19,167
Shall we take a break?
687
00:50:20,292 --> 00:50:21,501
Yes.
688
00:50:22,292 --> 00:50:27,250
CROSS ONLY AT THE GREEN SIGN
689
00:51:43,250 --> 00:51:44,459
Tell me a little bit
about your office.
690
00:51:44,459 --> 00:51:50,125
I have this office
for 35 years now.
691
00:51:50,125 --> 00:51:52,751
I only had three offices
in my whole life.
692
00:51:53,542 --> 00:51:56,751
When I graduated,
some friends and I,
693
00:51:56,751 --> 00:52:03,042
so we wouldn't start with
a stoic vision of being travelers,
694
00:52:03,042 --> 00:52:07,751
got together, we were 5 or 6,
and rented an office together
695
00:52:07,751 --> 00:52:09,584
in a fantastic building.
696
00:52:09,751 --> 00:52:12,292
But we didn't share
a company.
697
00:52:12,417 --> 00:52:19,083
Clever as we were, each of us
bought identical drawing boards.
698
00:52:19,375 --> 00:52:21,167
It wasn't as simple back then.
699
00:52:21,167 --> 00:52:26,667
There weren't even drawers
for designs back then.
700
00:52:26,667 --> 00:52:33,167
I drew one made of wood
that they liked and copied.
701
00:52:33,167 --> 00:52:36,083
So we put 5 drawers aligned.
702
00:52:36,083 --> 00:52:38,584
When you came in,
it looked like a large company,
703
00:52:38,709 --> 00:52:44,584
but each of us was focused,
designing small projects
704
00:52:44,584 --> 00:52:48,542
for our first orders
or some contest.
705
00:52:48,542 --> 00:52:55,042
Because of that, I got together
with one of them
706
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,292
to design a project for a contest
that we won,
707
00:52:59,292 --> 00:53:02,000
the famous contest for
the Paulistano Gymnasium,
708
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:03,417
then my life took off.
709
00:53:03,417 --> 00:53:07,584
I was invited by an illustrious
architect from São Paulo
710
00:53:08,083 --> 00:53:12,501
who taught at the university,
João Batista Vilanova Artigas,
711
00:53:12,501 --> 00:53:16,250
to be his assistant
at the University of São Paulo.
712
00:53:16,250 --> 00:53:23,292
Right after that, I started to flounder –
or rather was floundered –
713
00:53:23,292 --> 00:53:24,584
by the military coup d'état.
714
00:53:24,584 --> 00:53:29,125
I was disfranchised by the AI5,
715
00:53:29,125 --> 00:53:31,417
so I struggled
through many difficulties,
716
00:53:31,417 --> 00:53:35,000
but I managed to overcome them.
717
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:39,375
One of these cases was when I entered
the contest for Pavilhão do Brasil
718
00:53:39,375 --> 00:53:43,626
at the Osaka exposition
and I won it.
719
00:53:45,751 --> 00:53:47,751
Life is made of all that.
720
00:53:48,417 --> 00:53:52,209
I was a late graduate.
I've told you that, right?
721
00:53:52,459 --> 00:53:54,209
That you were a late graduate?
No.
722
00:53:54,209 --> 00:53:56,334
You're my daughter.
I've never told you that?
723
00:53:56,334 --> 00:53:58,417
-I think I have.
-No.
724
00:53:59,250 --> 00:54:03,751
I didn't really know
what to do and I was about 14.
725
00:54:04,667 --> 00:54:09,042
We lived in São Paulo
and I had been raised on the beach,
726
00:54:09,042 --> 00:54:10,709
so this city was always
difficult for me.
727
00:54:11,167 --> 00:54:16,751
I decided I'd go to navy school.
What I really wanted was...
728
00:54:16,751 --> 00:54:18,751
-To be near the sea.
-The navy.
729
00:54:19,125 --> 00:54:21,334
The ship.
Being near the sea.
730
00:54:21,334 --> 00:54:26,459
I didn't really know what it was and
had no idea of its military dimension.
731
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:31,125
So I went to Rio,
to go to prep courses.
732
00:54:31,125 --> 00:54:35,042
I went to a prep course,
but I dropped off.
733
00:54:35,209 --> 00:54:40,250
But I had missed two or three years
of regular schooling.
734
00:54:40,250 --> 00:54:42,209
Did you get into college late?
735
00:54:42,209 --> 00:54:43,792
I did.
736
00:54:43,792 --> 00:54:46,709
What I mean is, I graduated
in 1954.
737
00:54:50,292 --> 00:54:56,000
It had been 50 years in 2004.
So I've been working for 60 years.
738
00:54:57,083 --> 00:54:58,417
In this profession.
739
00:55:01,042 --> 00:55:04,584
People say I'm a good architect,
but you see,
740
00:55:04,584 --> 00:55:07,751
if after 60 years
I hadn't learned anything,
741
00:55:07,751 --> 00:55:09,542
I had to be really dumb.
742
00:55:10,751 --> 00:55:12,167
Aren't I right?
743
00:55:18,501 --> 00:55:20,417
A piece of your house.
744
00:55:24,542 --> 00:55:27,125
Gerassi is an engineer.
I didn't know him.
745
00:55:27,125 --> 00:55:29,751
He came here
I don't remember how
746
00:55:29,751 --> 00:55:31,417
and said he wanted a house.
747
00:55:31,417 --> 00:55:35,751
I was already impatient
with this idea
748
00:55:35,751 --> 00:55:38,167
of building houses in São Paulo.
749
00:55:39,751 --> 00:55:43,584
Then it occurred to me:
I'm going to have some fun.
750
00:55:43,584 --> 00:55:47,083
So I told him, "If I want to make
a prefabricated house, are you in?
751
00:55:47,459 --> 00:55:49,250
It will cost you
half the money".
752
00:55:49,250 --> 00:55:50,501
He immediately said he was in.
753
00:55:50,501 --> 00:55:55,209
As an engineer, he understood this:
you lay the foundations and wait,
754
00:55:55,209 --> 00:56:01,209
then the trucks bring the pieces
and you build the house in 48 hours.
755
00:56:01,209 --> 00:56:03,375
You take it out of the truck
and set it in place. You see?
756
00:56:03,375 --> 00:56:04,751
The house appears gradually.
757
00:56:04,751 --> 00:56:09,459
It's wonderful. A clean
and beautiful construction.
758
00:56:10,125 --> 00:56:12,626
It's quick.
It stimulates workers.
759
00:56:12,626 --> 00:56:15,751
That is another issue
you should take into account,
760
00:56:16,125 --> 00:56:19,667
regarding the resources
you will use,
761
00:56:19,667 --> 00:56:24,626
regarding architecture as wisdom,
as a form of knowledge:
762
00:56:24,626 --> 00:56:27,083
the respect for those working.
763
00:56:27,667 --> 00:56:30,751
Making people kneel on a corner
with a small scoop
764
00:56:30,751 --> 00:56:33,417
to finish up something
765
00:56:33,417 --> 00:56:36,250
is stupid for workers.
766
00:56:36,250 --> 00:56:39,042
It is much better to sit
in a truck
767
00:56:39,042 --> 00:56:44,459
and control a crane that takes a piece
from one place to another
768
00:56:44,459 --> 00:56:46,626
and see the result immediately.
769
00:56:46,626 --> 00:56:52,751
The work is shared between
the one responsible for the project
770
00:56:53,083 --> 00:56:55,250
and the ones responsible
for executing it,
771
00:56:55,250 --> 00:56:59,417
because you immediately see
the success.
772
00:57:27,542 --> 00:57:29,125
Do you know what I want?
773
00:57:29,125 --> 00:57:31,292
If you let me see...
774
00:57:31,292 --> 00:57:34,083
Are there drawings in the drawer?
Drawings?
775
00:57:34,083 --> 00:57:35,751
No, just old things.
776
00:57:37,125 --> 00:57:40,000
Isn't there anything you drew?
777
00:57:40,125 --> 00:57:42,042
What kind of drawings?
Of houses and such?
778
00:57:42,042 --> 00:57:43,417
No, normal drawings.
779
00:57:44,459 --> 00:57:47,667
Things you liked to draw,
besides projects...
780
00:57:49,459 --> 00:57:51,667
-You want to shoot it?
-Yes.
781
00:57:52,209 --> 00:57:55,083
-Just a couple of things.
-Just some drawings.
782
00:57:56,709 --> 00:57:58,167
There's a file...
783
00:58:19,626 --> 00:58:21,167
This one is beautiful.
784
00:58:23,667 --> 00:58:27,209
Drawings are only interesting
when faithfully reproduced
785
00:58:27,209 --> 00:58:31,584
in a book, in life size, anyway...
786
00:58:32,626 --> 00:58:35,501
You can't shoot a piece of paper
with a drawing.
787
00:58:35,501 --> 00:58:40,292
I assure you that
the people watching will leave.
788
00:58:40,292 --> 00:58:43,292
No, a drawing looks good
on a big screen.
789
00:58:43,292 --> 00:58:44,584
Right...
790
01:00:15,459 --> 01:00:17,209
Do you want to take a picture
of me with the Lion?
791
01:00:17,209 --> 01:00:19,083
-Shall we?
-We must!
792
01:00:24,334 --> 01:00:26,334
Jo, shoot it.
793
01:00:26,334 --> 01:00:28,417
It's in the film!
794
01:00:31,709 --> 01:00:33,083
Take one with us then.
795
01:00:33,083 --> 01:00:36,334
With your kids first.
Look over here.
796
01:00:36,334 --> 01:00:39,250
Right, you're the sister...
797
01:00:39,250 --> 01:00:41,125
It's another universe.
798
01:00:45,667 --> 01:00:48,667
The Lion is right on top
of Pedro's bald head.
799
01:00:50,250 --> 01:00:51,584
On top of...
800
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:12,417
Paulo...
801
01:01:13,250 --> 01:01:14,459
Oh, you!
802
01:01:14,459 --> 01:01:17,417
The greatest man in Venice.
Francesco...
803
01:01:17,417 --> 01:01:19,751
Yes!
He teaches at the university.
804
01:01:19,751 --> 01:01:21,417
Good morning.
805
01:01:22,250 --> 01:01:28,542
The greatest architecture critic
in the world. Francesco Dal Co.
806
01:01:28,712 --> 01:01:32,083
-You'll choke.
-The greatest architect in the world!
807
01:01:36,667 --> 01:01:38,167
Myself and Pedro...
808
01:01:50,584 --> 01:01:56,250
Naná and me!
Jojo, Naná and me and Louis Vuitton!
809
01:01:57,209 --> 01:01:59,751
-It's in the frame.
-Pretend I'm buying her purses.
810
01:02:12,042 --> 01:02:15,083
Jojo, this façade
is really important.
811
01:02:26,417 --> 01:02:30,292
Jojo, with this view...
812
01:02:30,292 --> 01:02:31,584
Done!
813
01:02:32,459 --> 01:02:35,167
-Can we start?
-Yes.
814
01:02:35,167 --> 01:02:38,375
So, you're in my house.
815
01:02:39,584 --> 01:02:44,083
Saying you live in São Paulo,
for all we know in the whole world...
816
01:02:44,125 --> 01:02:46,209
It's a difficult city, it's dense,
817
01:02:46,209 --> 01:02:49,000
and I live in this garden.
818
01:02:49,375 --> 01:02:53,751
Film this, so you can see
the buildings around us,
819
01:02:53,751 --> 01:02:55,501
because there aren't just trees.
820
01:02:55,792 --> 01:02:57,626
You're inside São Paulo.
821
01:02:58,584 --> 01:03:00,417
I walk to my office from here,
822
01:03:00,417 --> 01:03:02,584
because right over there
is the Praça da República.
823
01:03:05,417 --> 01:03:08,584
Dad, where did you
leave your Lion?
824
01:03:08,584 --> 01:03:13,417
I'm always surrounded
by my friends, as you can see.
825
01:03:13,751 --> 01:03:15,751
Flávio Motta is over there.
826
01:03:15,751 --> 01:03:19,417
Fernando Millan drew something
he says is my portrait.
827
01:03:19,417 --> 01:03:20,667
It's Chaplin.
828
01:03:21,250 --> 01:03:23,417
And things like that.
829
01:03:23,417 --> 01:03:27,417
Like Carmela Gross, over there,
in "Armed Art".
830
01:03:28,167 --> 01:03:31,167
And look who's over there.
831
01:03:31,751 --> 01:03:33,626
The little Lion from Venice.
832
01:03:34,334 --> 01:03:35,751
The Lion is always up there.
833
01:03:35,751 --> 01:03:42,083
The interesting thing
about this award is that Venice
834
01:03:42,083 --> 01:03:44,584
is perhaps the most astounding city
in the world,
835
01:03:45,250 --> 01:03:48,417
in the modern world,
for navigations and all that.
836
01:03:49,125 --> 01:03:54,375
The Lion of Venice is
in the St. Mark's Square, as you know.
837
01:03:54,375 --> 01:03:57,292
St. George on one side
with his dragon
838
01:03:57,501 --> 01:03:59,667
and the winged lion
on the other side.
839
01:04:00,250 --> 01:04:04,501
That's where that small
golden image comes from.
840
01:04:04,501 --> 01:04:08,292
What's special about this award,
besides it's meaning, of course,
841
01:04:08,292 --> 01:04:10,000
and the Venice Biennale,
842
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,459
is the object itself,
843
01:04:13,042 --> 01:04:16,417
because all awards are bulky
or medals or whatever,
844
01:04:16,417 --> 01:04:18,417
but this one is
an amazing image.
845
01:04:19,250 --> 01:04:21,417
Why do you think
we are making this film?
846
01:04:22,083 --> 01:04:24,626
I think you have
nothing better to do.
847
01:04:25,334 --> 01:04:26,542
No.
848
01:04:26,542 --> 01:04:32,125
No. I think, in this case, there is
certainly a problem of affection.
849
01:04:32,125 --> 01:04:33,334
You're my daughter.
850
01:04:37,667 --> 01:04:39,709
Someone had to tell this story.
851
01:04:41,292 --> 01:04:44,334
Someone had to...
No! It could remain untold.
852
01:05:48,751 --> 01:05:50,667
I'm sorry, I'm late.
853
01:05:50,667 --> 01:05:53,709
No, we're early.
You're not late.
854
01:05:56,250 --> 01:05:59,334
Let me make you
more comfortable. There.
855
01:05:59,751 --> 01:06:02,542
-Let's go.
-Though there is not much inside.
856
01:06:09,334 --> 01:06:11,667
We thought about doing
exactly what we are doing now,
857
01:06:11,667 --> 01:06:15,667
talking like this.
But we had to start from somewhere.
858
01:06:16,209 --> 01:06:18,584
So we decided to ask you
to tell us
859
01:06:18,584 --> 01:06:21,250
why you decided
to study architecture,
860
01:06:21,250 --> 01:06:24,459
where you got the idea
that this could be your profession...
861
01:06:24,459 --> 01:06:25,667
Anyway...
862
01:06:26,250 --> 01:06:30,292
What you said,
will it be on film?
863
01:06:30,667 --> 01:06:32,751
-It may or may not be.
-It depends...
864
01:06:35,417 --> 01:06:40,584
This thing "where you got it from".
"why do this and that",
865
01:06:41,584 --> 01:06:44,542
I think we all know,
from our own experiences,
866
01:06:44,542 --> 01:06:48,042
it doesn't come at once.
867
01:06:48,167 --> 01:06:56,250
First of all, Joana and Lito's
grandfather, my father,
868
01:06:56,751 --> 01:06:58,542
was a great engineer.
869
01:06:58,542 --> 01:07:02,792
He specialized more and more
in home navigation,
870
01:07:02,792 --> 01:07:05,209
which doesn't exist anymore,
it's very broad,
871
01:07:05,209 --> 01:07:07,709
but that's what it was called
in Polytechnical School.
872
01:07:07,709 --> 01:07:11,334
Home navigation.
Harbors, rivers, canals.
873
01:07:11,709 --> 01:07:16,584
From the engineering point of view,
it's a very inexorable area,
874
01:07:16,584 --> 01:07:18,667
because you can say
everything is monumental,
875
01:07:18,667 --> 01:07:22,292
but at sea, there is
what they call pneumatic caissons,
876
01:07:22,334 --> 01:07:28,042
which are at least 80cm long
concrete tubes, 120cm in diameter,
877
01:07:28,042 --> 01:07:33,417
that are thrown into water
with jacks and incredible machines.
878
01:07:33,417 --> 01:07:35,167
Anyway, what I want to tell...
879
01:07:35,167 --> 01:07:42,751
My father took me to visit
great constructions to see that
880
01:07:43,167 --> 01:07:47,125
when I was 8 or 9 years old.
881
01:07:47,459 --> 01:07:55,125
It's impossible not to imagine
a certain calling or admiration.
882
01:07:55,626 --> 01:07:59,751
But then you'll say:
isn't architecture something else?
883
01:07:59,751 --> 01:08:01,250
It's not exactly something else.
884
01:08:01,250 --> 01:08:03,584
What stayed with me, I think...
885
01:08:04,250 --> 01:08:08,250
You see, what is theater
and cinema for you?
886
01:08:08,250 --> 01:08:10,250
You make a spectacle.
887
01:08:10,250 --> 01:08:13,083
I'm describing
the spectacles I've seen.
888
01:08:13,083 --> 01:08:15,459
That was the calling which,
naturally,
889
01:08:15,459 --> 01:08:19,709
later made me think
"I'm going to be an architect".
890
01:08:20,083 --> 01:08:26,584
Maybe that vision is too much
on the artistic side of our minds:
891
01:08:27,250 --> 01:08:32,209
before getting into
the difficult process
892
01:08:32,209 --> 01:08:35,167
of learning techniques
and technologies,
893
01:08:35,167 --> 01:08:38,000
you'll will enjoy only
your imagination.
894
01:08:38,334 --> 01:08:40,584
I don't know whether there's
something oedipian about this,
895
01:08:40,584 --> 01:08:45,000
as in "My father will see the things
I'll design for him to build". You see.
896
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:50,584
But that part before the project,
the idea of projecting images in things
897
01:08:50,584 --> 01:08:52,292
that you will later,
reading it...
898
01:08:52,626 --> 01:08:54,709
Everyone knows that now.
899
01:08:55,167 --> 01:08:58,417
It's man's great issue,
like a condemnation:
900
01:08:58,417 --> 01:09:03,584
We are doomed to transform
thought into thing.
901
01:10:49,083 --> 01:10:50,501
You see how much yarn?
902
01:10:53,626 --> 01:10:57,584
Now something to conclude:
it was all a lie.
903
01:10:59,334 --> 01:11:01,334
I came up with everything.